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Sep 10, 2020

TCZ Podcast #124: Andres Roberts: What Can Nature Teach Us About Coaching Teams?

I’m very excited to be joined in this episode on The Team Coaching Zone by Andres Roberts, the founder of the Bio-Leadership Project and co-founder of Way of Nature. Andres' TEDx talk How Would Nature Change Leadership? – quickly made its way onto the global TED platform within weeks of giving the talk. Andres is on a mission to reinvent leadership to be more like nature. He believes we are at ‘sliding doors’ moment in time, in which humanity has the challenge and the opportunity to rewrite the rules of collective progress in history. He argues rather than battling with the old operating systems, making nature our guide might be the most important innovation of our times. Andres left the world of big organisations early on in his career. He has worked and learnt with elders and teachers from around the world, as well as first class partners in organisational learning and development. Andres works with institutions such as Patagonia, the World Benchmarking Alliance and the Amani Institute.

In episode #124 I begin by asking Andres to share his earliest memories of being in nature. We also venture into:

  • What inspired Andres to make leadership and nature his life's work
  • The Bio-Leadership project as a global movement for change
  • Three threads woven into the Bio-Leadership philosophy
  • How some companies are applying the model to reinvent their future
  • How it could inform Team Coaches grappling with a transformation agenda

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Aug 5, 2020

TCZ Episode #123: Aileen Miziolek: Insights and Inspiration for Coaching Family Business Teams

According to the World Economic Forum 70% of the world’s economy is made up of family businesses and 50% of the global workforce work in those businesses. Aside from the business case, I am passionate about coaching family businesses and have been looking around for a few buddies to talk things through.

I’m delighted therefore to be joined in Episode #123 of The Team Coaching Zone podcast by a real expert in the field - @Aileen Miziolek, a fellow ORSC Coach (Organizational Relationship Systems Coaching) and a consultant at The Family Business Consulting Group, Inc. who joins me from her home in Toronto, Canada.

In this episode Aileen and I swap stories and talk about:

- the appeal of working with families in business

- the unique challenges of coaching family teams

- Aileen's concept of the Learning Family

- working with Founders and intergenerational dynamics

- the potency of a Relationship Systems Coaching approach

- insights for Team Coaches curious to explore working in this arena

Our conversation begins with Aileen's personal story, which is touching and sets the tone of why this work is so important. Hopefully more Team Coaches will consider jumping into the fray.

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Aug 5, 2020

TCZ Podcast #122: Jennifer Garvey Berger: Cultivating Leadership & Unlocking Mindtraps in Teams

Given the astonishing experience of 2020 – which has confirmed that we have entered a moment of radical change and alteration - how can we as team coaches find deep and intentional ways to grow ourselves and our clients in order to better thrive in complex times?

In Episode #122, I’m really excited to pose this question and more to my guest Jennifer Garvey Berger – Jennifer’s ‘Growth Edge Coaching’ approach, which she describes in her book, Changing on the Job, has been developed over the last decade and underpins her work developing leaders and coaching senior teams in organisations such as Google, KPMG, Microsoft, and the New Zealand Department of Conservation. Jennifer also coaches transformational and development coaching approaches in her Growth Edge Coaching certification series, and is a highly popular speaker at leadership and coaching conferences around the world. She is the co-founder of Cultivating Leadership, the author of three acclaimed books and holds a masters and a doctorate from Harvard University.

During our conversation we touch on:

- an overview of the adult development theory that underpins Jennifer's work

- the uniqueness of a transformational and development coaching approach to working with teams

- stories of working with teams using this approach

- the challenge of helping to accelerate human growth in leadership teams

- meeting our own shadow and doing the work ourselves

- the sense of urgency for this work

- Jennifer's vision for the coaching and team coaching industry

- bringing spirit back into the workplace

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Jul 14, 2020

TCZ Episode #121: Alison Cameron: What Does It Really Take To Transform Teams?

In this episode Alison Cameron, an internationally acclaimed transformation strategist and I talk about what it takes to guide team leaders in enabling organisational evolution. I'm interested, how do we ourselves as team coaches, better understand what it takes to help our clients adapt their ways of working and worldview.

Alison's work has taken her from the boardrooms of large, multinational corporations working with leaders in business, politics and not-for-profit sectors, to leading social transformation initiatives around the world. She is the co-founder of Adaptive Cultures, a growing global community of leaders and culture practitioners working with many of the world’s most complex and influential organisations. Adaptive Cultures diagnostic instruments and methodologies have been endorsed and implemented by a number of teams going through significant transformations. We start our conversation talking about where she lives surrounded by mountains and a verdant tropical backdrop in Australia, and her own fascinating transformation journey which started in Alison's early teens and took her to be on stage with Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lamai and other respected world leaders. It's a moving story which she has never shared before and sets the tone for our conversation.

Here's what we talk about in addition to Alison's own story:

  • Awakening and being called to a higher purpose
  • Working with living systems as a leadership and team coach
  • The need to do the inner work as a practitioner
  • Developing adaptive capacity and agility in organisations
  • How to identify the different stages of cultural evolution
  • The critical importance of structure in nurturing potential
  • Tips for team coaches working inside organisations

You can find more on Alison and Adaptive Cultures here: *

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Note: On the show notes page you can download the Stages of Cultural Evolution (see attached PDF) and the white paper on Adapting Organisations Through Leadership and Culture (see attached PDF)

Jul 14, 2020

TCZ Episode #120: Klaus Leopold: Reinventing Agile: Why High-Performing Teams Isn’t The Answer

Before, during and for sure post the immediate crisis of #Covid-19, organisations today are having to reinvent themselves faster than ever before. As a behaviour change expert working with senior teams, I tend to focus on the human system itself rather than operational systems and processes. Clearly both relationships and tasks need to be reimagined for companies to adapt and thrive.

Unpicking the spaghetti junction of a business’s operational system is not easily done, but Dr Klaus Leopold, CEO of Flight Levels Academy and Managing Partner of Leanability seems to have the knack for it. For those in the agile world, Klaus is a bit of a legend and it is his third book, Rethinking Agile that prompted me to invite him onto the Team Coaching Zone podcast to ask about how he goes about whole-systems change.

Here's some of what Klaus and I cover:

  • How he discovered and defines flight levels
  • Why agile teams have nothing to do with business agility
  • How flight levels work in helping to re-imagine businesses
  • Why we don’t need high-performance teams
  • The dangers of focusing on teams as islands rather than agile interactions
  • The relationship between flight levels thinking and three horizons thinking
  • Klaus’ vision for a better world

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Jun 3, 2020

TCZ Episode #119: Mike Robbins: We’re All In This Together: Coaching Teams With This in Mind

On today's show I talk to Mike Robbins, author of five books including his brand new title, We're All In This Together: Creating a Team Culture of High Performance, Trust and Belonging. Mike's ideas are based on 20 years working as a highly sought-after speaker and consultant to clients such as, Google, Wells Fargo, Microsoft, Genentech, eBay, Harvard University, and LinkedIn. We begin with Mike's own story as a professional sportsman turned business consultant in the San Francisco Bay area. We talk about the sense of urgency which compelled him to write the book, and then explore the four pillars that his research has led him to believe are essential for teams to thrive in today's world. These are:

  • Psychological safety, drawing on the work of Amy Edmondson and others, what it takes to create an environment safe for risk-taking, disagreement, failure, boldness and authenticity.
  • Inclusion and belonging, why teams need to engage in authentic conversations around this topic in an on-going and effective way, not only for companies to thrive but for societies to move in a positive direction on these fronts.
  • Embracing sweaty-palm conversations, however scary and difficult, conflict as an enabler for positive team relationships, overall performance and wellbeing.
  • Caring and challenging each other, the importance of maintaining a strong balance of nurturing and high expectations in the team.

Listen here on the Team Coaching Zone or any podcast platform to Episode #119 More about Mike:

  • Mike and his work have been featured in the New York Times and the Harvard Business Review, as well as on NPR and ABC News.
  • He’s a regular contributor to Forbes, hosts his own podcast (called We’re All in This Together), and his books have been translated into 15 different languages.
May 13, 2020

TCZ Episode #118: Tatiana Fraser & Rachel Sinha: Making Systems Leadership Possible

My guests today are two formidable women and the co-founders of the System Sanctuary – an international peer learning and training platform for systems leadership. Tatiana Fraser has 20 years of experience leading and scaling systems innovations, creating strategic learning communities and movement building. She is also co-founder of Girls Action Foundation and co-author of Girl Positive (Random House 2016), in which she has worked to reframe the narrative around gender equality to advance social justice and the leadership of girls and women.

Rachel Sinha is a British award-winning social innovator, based in San Francisco, named by the Guardian newspaper as one of 50 Radicals “changing the face of the UK for the better”. Rachel was one of co-founders of The Finance Innovation Lab, designed to empower positive disruptors in the financial system. The Lab was named a semi-finalist in the Buckminster Fuller Award ‘Socially Responsible Designs Highest Award’ for its work bringing together people post financial crisis, to accelerate positive change in the financial system. Prior to that Rachel’s work on sustainability issues includes a number of ground-breaking roles including have sat on the European Commission Expert Panel on Social Business. She has co-authored a series of articles in Harvard Business Review and Fast Company and publications, and collaborating with Oxford Said Business School has led an enquiry into the language of systems change and launched the publication Keywords.

Together they run The Systems Sanctuary which has the tagline – a refuge for systems leaders

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Apr 30, 2020

TCZ Episode #117: Dr. Paul White: How to Keep Teams Feeling Valued in a Remote Workplace

In an agile and less hierarchical world, teams are ever more reliant on motivating each other over and above relying on their team leader. Appreciation is one of the fastest ways to make someone feel valued but we don't all speak the same language. Especially at a time when most are working remotely and having to dig deep to build team resilience. My guest today really does have the data to help teams and organizations to get this right. Dr Paul White is a psychologist, leadership trainer and co-author of the Five Languages of Appreciation at Work based on the international best seller by his co-author Gary Chapman on The Five Love Languages. In this punchy 40 minute episode Paul and I explore

  • Why appreciation matters over and above employee recognition
  • How to recognise the 5 language of appreciation in yourself and others
  • The impact of appreciation on team effectiveness
  • What differences the research shows for remote teams
  • How does any of the 5 languages of appreciation change culture

And, Paul has generously offered our listeners a free pass for the Motivating By Appreciation Inventory for Remote teams. Email him on to receive your registration code.

Find more on Appreciation at Work here

More on Paul White:

Dr. Paul White, PhD, is a licensed psychologist who has worked with individuals, businesses and families in a variety of settings for over 20 years. He received his B.A. from Wheaton, his Masters from Arizona State, and his PhD in Counseling Psychology from Georgia State University. He consults with successful businesses and high net worth families, dealing with the relational issues intertwined with business and financial wealth. In addition to serving businesses, families and organizations across the U.S., Dr. White has also spoken and consulted in Europe, Central Asia, the Caribbean, and South America.

Apr 21, 2020

TCZ Podcast Episode #116: Kathryn McCusker: How To Stay Connected in The Face of Disruption

Have you had moments during lockdown of getting trapped in your head and wanting to rationalise what's going on rather than be in your heart? I certainly have. Yet to coach effectively and to be a transformational presence for others, we know we must stay connected to our feelings. Only when we have processed our feelings can we find our creative response. Creativity is what many of the organisational leaders I've been coaching over the past couple of weeks are looking for from themselves and their people as they move beyond a crisis response to reimagining the future of work.

My guest this week on The Team Coaching Zone podcast is not a coach. Kathryn McCusker is a kundalini yoga teacher, professional opera singer and author. I've been going to Kathryn's classes for awhile now and each time I leave the studio feeling deeply connected to myself and the world. In this episode Kathryn shares practical techniques which you can do working from your home office to access your personal creativity. We talk about the science behind Kundalini yoga and the impact different breathing techniques and mantra meditations have proven to have on enhancing brain functioning as well as managing our emotional state.

I hope you have fun with this one!

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Apr 3, 2020

TCZ Episode #115: Dr. Ruth Wageman: Fast Team Start-ups: Tips for Team Leaders and Developing Presence in Teams

I never cease to learn great tips on coaching teams from my colleague Dr Ruth Wageman, a leading scholar and passionate practitioner in the field of collaboration and systems change. In this punchy 30 minute episode we focus specifically on immediate support for team leaders and teams in business and local communities responding to Covid-19.

  • Specifically, as a coach or team leader how to do fast team start-ups?
  • How do you hold the space for a team to get present with one another?
  • How can you help teams become more emotionally resilient in these times?

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Mar 20, 2020

TCZ Episode #114: Marita Fridjhon: Tips for Living and Working in a Virtual World During a Crisis

We are in a huge moment of crisis and transition, this is a time to pull together. How do we learn to deal with the chaos of settling into a new reality that challenges how we work and live to the core?

My guest in this episode in this episode is Marita Fridjhon, a long-standing colleague, mentor and the co-owner and CEO of the ICF accredited coaching training school CRR Global. We begin our transatlantic conversation talking about what's going on in the streets were we live and commenting on a recent blog by Otto Scharmer on what the global Coronavirus pandemic is teaching us about being in relationship and working together to change the system. This episode is full of practical tips for organizational leaders, families and of course, coaches and change makers. Some of the topics Marita and I cover include

  1. How CRR Global are working with their virtual global community to learn from and with each other
  2. Tips to create the quality of listening and presence that sets those meetings up for success
  3. How to become skillful working with systemic emergence by using Relationship Systems Intelligence (RSI)
  4. The challenges and opportunities leaders face moving from ego-->eco in order to leverage the collective wisdom of their organisation
  5. The breakdown of silos as workers move to working from home and what it means for the future of work
  6. Communication and collaboration, what's possible now

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Feb 19, 2020

TCZ Podcast #113: Karen Downes: Creating the Foundation For Human Flourishing in The Workplace: A Case Study

What does it take for humans to flourish at work? Does our definition of resilience need redefining? What can you do to support a team in overwhelm and facing burnout?

Join me Carissa Bub and guest Karen Downes, Founder and Managing Director of The Flourish Initiative as we talk about her experience training 1600 business leaders of a leading global organisation. as part of her mission to shift the business paradigm of growth and performance into a new model of human flourishing for business prosperity. Karen and I discuss:

  • Her first career as a healer and building up a multi-dollar business in Australia
  • The call to focus on corporate organisations and her bias for community over team
  • Living in an age of exponential disruption and collapse
  • Her intensive learning journey in 2018 supporting a leading global brand to transform its culture
  • How human flourishing is a way to create psychological safety, connection and dignity
  • The difference between ‘old’ and ‘true’ resilience
  • Embodiment, somatic coaching and working with trauma
  • Advice for teams who are in overwhelm and facing burnout
  • Advice for team coaches who want to help clients build resilience that goes beyond ‘toughening it up’
  • Her related work and experiences developing feminine intelligence in leadership

You can reach Karen here:

Feb 5, 2020

Episode #112: Marcy Connors: A Master Practitioner Shares Best Practices on Coaching Virtual Teams and Team of Teams

For businesses, big and small, one reality is an ever-growing workforce that is very mobile and could be based anywhere. Another reality is organizations becoming more team-based structures. This provides both opportunities and challenges to scaling leadership. Especially with different teams working in different time zones, with some team members working partial hours.

Virtual team coaching can help to effectively and quickly scale leadership in a geographically dispersed organization. For companies moving at pace, virtual team coaching can help leadership teams to map out where cross-collaboration needs to happen and create the virtual conditions for shared leadership to emerge and continuously improve.

If you are a business leader or team coach looking to expand your understanding of how to go about using virtual team coaching to scale shared leadership listen to my conversation with Mary Connors in this episode of the Team Coaching Zone podcast.

Mary is an expert in large scale organizational change and virtual team leadership with a passion for bringing people together to achieve results globally. Listening to Mary talk through several case studies was eye-opening and fun. She brings 30 years executive coaching and consulting experience through her business Connors Davis & Company to the conversation, as well as 25 years’ experience in the design of Leadership and Change programs in the MBA departments of both US and international universities. There’s lots of good stuff here… top tips, stories, and as both Mary and I work with a number of family businesses, some good banter around trends we see happening with intergenerational teams. Enjoy!

You can find more on Mary Connors here

Jan 20, 2020

As organizations develop into more team-based structures what does effective communication and connectedness look like? How do you scale leadership in the face of increasing complexity and increasingly dispersed work communities?

Listen to this latest episode with Carissa Bub in conversation with David Clutterbuck--one of the early pioneers of developmental coaching and mentoring and co-founder of the European Mentoring & Coaching Council. David is author of more than 70 books, including the first evidence-based titles on coaching culture and team coaching. He is visiting professor at three business schools. He leads a global network of specialist mentoring and coaching consultants, Coaching and Mentoring International.

In this episode David shares many 'How-To' moments on coaching different types of teams that I encounter on a regular basis and scenarios which I hope are relevant to you and many listeners of the Team Coaching Zone podcast.

Some of the highlights for me included

  • Discovering the PERIL model for coaching teams
  • How to set up a team of teams coaching assignment
  • His latest research on streams of connectedness and how to speed up interconnectedness without going through leadership to support system change
  • And what this means for the role of the team coach

You can reach David Clutterbuck

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Jan 2, 2020

Happy New Year! Wishing you a 2020 filled with health, prosperity, and peace.

Marita Fridjhon is an elder in the systemic coaching community. As co-owner and CEO of CRR Global, a leading school in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC), she trains and mentors an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. This is critical in today's shift in leadership to a more systems-inspired approach. I first met Marita in 2006 and since then along with her business partner Faith Fuller, she has become one of the most influential teachers in my own coaching journey.

Curious to expand your systemic coaching lens? Want to know how this way of seeing can make you an even more effective team coach? Not heard of Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching and want to know more?

You can reach Marita on

More about Marita Fridjhon

Raised in South Africa during Apartheid, Marita dedicated her career to improving the human condition through a variety of practices. As President of CRR Global, Marita’s vision is to inspire and equip change agents to do effective work with relationship systems in all niche markets. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background of Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting, and Alternative Dispute Resolution. Marita has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations. Some of her clients include: Nova Nordisk, Touro University, Grand Canyon National Park Service, Coaches Training Institute, Horizon Services Inc., Central YMCA, Chevron, Institute for the Development of Human Psychology, Deep Ecology Education Program, Contra Costa County Health and Prevention, Hyatt Hotels, San Francisco School District, Boeing, IBM & Emirates Bank Dubai. She is the co-author of Creating Intelligent Teams: Leading with Relationship Systems Intelligence. Prior to co-founding CRRGlobal with Faith Fuller in 2002, Marita was Senior Faculty of The Coaches Training Institute.

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